Are you planning your goals in 2025 and questioning, like, how specific should they be?

What do you do for timelines?

What do we do if we mess up?

Should we put all of our eggs in one basket?

Or should there be a really solid plan B?

If you're curious, we have our guest, Gabe Cox, right back here.

She was with us on the previous episode episode and it was a lovely one. That

one is linked up in the show notes below. But if this is your first time hearing, do you want to

introduce Gabe, Jamie? So Gabe is a goal planning and business strategist and the founder of

Red Hot Mindset, which you can listen to the previous episode to hear how she got that name.

She helps entrepreneurs personalize and take action on a game plan that works with their capacity in different seasons.

They don't have to sacrifice everything to hit their goals.

And she teaches how to market your business without relying on social media,

which I find very interesting in today's day and age, so that you can ditch the hustle culture

for good. So welcome back, Gabe. We're so glad to have you here. Yeah, thanks for having me.

Excited for this topic of conversation. So are we, quite frankly. So are we. So I've heard two views.

One view is burn the proverbial ship. So you have no recourse. And you must make plan A work as far as

setting a goal. And the other view is that we'll have like a very well thought plan B so that you can fall back on if plan A doesn't work.

Like in your experience personally and then in your experience coaching folks, which one do you think is great and which one do you think is trash?

I love this question.

It comes from experience.

I've done both ways.

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