Welcome to How Leaders Lead. I'm Kula Callahan, here to bring you another edition of three more

questions with David Novak. David, we've got a fun one to dive into today.

That's right, Kula. Today we're going to take a deeper dive into the conversation that I had with

Michael Bungay-Stanyer. Now, Michael's the founder of Box of Crayons, which is a very creative name for a very

creative guy.

It's a leadership development company that teaches people how to tap into the power of curiosity.

Now, Michael's also the author of a best-selling that I highly recommend, the coaching habits. So

there's a lot to be learned from that podcast, and I can't wait to answer the three questions

that you have for me today. So throw me the high, hard ones. Let's get going.

Question number one.

The paradigm shift that Michael really offers leaders is this.

Stay curious, longer, and jump into action and advice giving much slower.

David, was there a time in your career that you feel like you did this well?

And maybe a time in your career where you didn't do this so well?

Early on in my career, I did not do it very well because when you become a leader and you

become in charge of a group of people and they're your responsibility, you have all this

built up pressure to really show people why you should be

in that job and how smart you are and why they should be looking to you for advice. So very often back

then I'd give people advice before I knew what they had to say about a particular issue. So

that's when I didn't do it well. The more I matured as a leader,

the more I realized that you could get a heck of a lot more if you just stayed quiet for a longer

period of time. You went around the room. You asked everybody what they thought, what their

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