Hi, it's Helen from the Squiggly Careers podcast. And before you listen to today's episode, I just

want to let you know about some news that Sarah and I are very excited about. And that is that our new book,

Learn Like a Lobster, is ready to pre-order now. We really care about everybody learning and growing at work,

but we know it is not easy to do. And so we're borrowing some brilliance from lobsters to help you to do it.

The book takes three inspiring and surprising abilities of lobsters in terms of how they grow

and applies it to how we can learn at work. So if you want some inspiration and you need some

practical insights to support your learning, growth and development. This is the book for you.

And if you pre-order now and send your pre-order to hello at learn like a lobster.com,

you can join the lobster library where we have a community of lobster learners ready for you to learn with,

some live sessions, and this will all happen before the book arrives.

So pre-order the book now, send it to hello at learn like a lobster.com and get started with

your learning straight away. Now let's get on to today's episode.

Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast where each week we borrow

some brilliance from different

people and places and turn that curiosity into useful actions for your career.

And this week we're experimenting with a slightly different format.

I feel like experimenting has been our word of the year this year.

And what we've done is we have picked a theme, hard conversations.

So hopefully something that we all need

a bit of support on um i don't think it's a skill that anyone ever says to me yeah that's i'm amazing

i'm amazing at hard conversations and what we're going to do is we're going to hear three different

experts share their borrowed brilliance from slightly different angles on this area.

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