Hello, hello everyone, gather around.

Malcolm Gladwell here.

If you're a fan of my show, Revisionist History, then you know my deep and abiding obsession

with American higher education.

How it's broken, how it can be fixed.

Over our next couple of episodes, we dive into this topic again.

And as you will hear, one story makes me really angry.

And the other gives me hope.

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I'm at Duke's restaurant in Malibu.

It's perched on the rocks right above the ocean.

Outfront is a giant statue of legendary Hawaiian surfer and swimmer Duke Kahana Moku, who helped

introduce surfing to California in the early part of the 20th century.

This is where Gidget, the real Gidget, works.

Hey, we're here to interview Kathy.

Kathy Conor?

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