Welcome. I'm Dr. Vinay Prasad. I'm a hematologist, oncologist, and I'm associate professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. In my professional life, I see patients, I teach trainees, and I do research in health care policy. This is Plenary Session.

Plenary Session is a podcast at the intersection of medicine, oncology, and health policy,

and you're listening to Season 3. On this week's episode. This week on Plenary Session, we have

Jacob Russell. Jacob Russell is from Rutgers University.

He's in the School of Law.

And he is one of the most thoughtful commenters on expertise and misinformation during the pandemic.

You won't want to miss this one.

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I got something new to say this

time. I think the good old days are over. We're living in a unique time where people are very

happy to extinguish voices and ideas that they deem unfit for consumption. And so I personally

have gone on Patreon. I've supported a number of people who I listen to, the podcast that I love,

and I'm encouraging you to do the same. The only way we can combat this growing force of illiberalism

is to support with our dollar bills podcast we enjoy. So that's my plug.

All right, I'm back in plenary session, joined by Professor Jacob Russell from Rutgers Law.

Jacob Russell is a second time participant on plenary session.

Some astute listeners of plenary session notice that I got excited when I talked to Jacob Russell.

When I get excited, I make a classic moderator mistake, which is I got excited when I talked to Jacob Russell. When I get excited,

I make a classic moderator mistake, which is I don't let the guest talk, but they were good

to inform me of my mistake. So we're going to make up for it. And in addition to that, we're

going to talk about some new material because a lot has happened. Professor Russell, it's a pleasure

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