Long days, pleasant nights, and welcome to Kingslingers, a doof media podcast journeying through Stephen King's Dark Tower series and beyond.

I am your host and constant reader Scott Daly and joining me as always, you know him as Matt Freeman, but he's really No Face, pilot of the meat wagon.

Hello, No Face. How's it going? Oh, pretty good. You know, me being no face is the

least dramatic twist that's going to happen in this conversation. This week on the show,

our 11-part coverage of Stephen King's desperation and Stephen King's 1990s reaches its finale

as we take a look at the sister book to King's Desperation,

Richard Bachman's The Regulators.

This, Matt, is going to be a little bit different from our normal episodes, right?

We're covering an entire book in one episode, so we're going to be much less in the weeds,

in the details, than our normal coverage of books.

I think if you've listened to any of our book clubs in the past,

it's probably going to be a little bit closer to that style of conversation

than it is the normal episodes you're used to.

But I wanted to do this.

I wanted to do this, Matt, because I think this book being a relation to desperation is an important part of why I picked it.

This kind of grand experiment King did with these two books is one of the reasons I wanted

to talk about desperation in the first place.

And so we had to read it and we had to talk about it.

And I had a lot of fun with it.

I think I don't know that, I don't know that this book would necessarily support our full deep dive.

You know, I say that I'm often surprised that a book that maybe I at first think doesn't

have all that much depth will yield quite a bit of depth when you just can, you know, essentially force yourself

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