Welcome. I'm Dr. Vinay Prasad. I'm a hematologist, oncologist, and I'm associate professor of medicine at the University of California, San Francisco. In my professional life, I see patients, I teach trainees, and I do research in health care policy. This is plenary session.

Plenary session is a podcast at the intersection of medicine, oncology, and health policy,

and you're listening to Season 3. On this week's episode. This week on Plenary Session, I'm joined

by Anne Sosson. She is a researcher at the Dartmouth Medical School,

and she's here to talk about the secrets of Vermont

in taming the COVID-19 pandemic.

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plenary session podcast at gmail.com. I'm back in plenary session, joined via Zoom by

friend of the podcast, Ann Sosson.

Anne Sosson is a researcher based out of Vermont and Dartmouth.

And she is a prior guest of this podcast where she talked about the unique success and challenges faced in a small northeastern state like Vermont.

And it's a pleasure to have you back on the show.

Thanks for having me back on the show. Since you've been, since we've been off, I hear a lot of talk

of Vermont. Vermont is being hailed as like the greatest exception to this country in the sense

that you all invested in, you know, it wasn't just about

restrictions. It was about investments. And that's been sort of a core theme about the success of

Vermont. I wonder if you might talk a little bit about one, like what, there are no,

there's no real success when it comes to a pandemic, but you fared better than most. So what does it mean to have succeeded? And, and, and, and what was the, what were the

investments that were thought to have played a role? Sure. Thanks for that question. I think

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