2hollis + His Drummer Dad, Interviewed Together! On Fame, Family & Quitting the Internet

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The New York Times

Music Commentary, Music, Music Interviews

3.4 • 1.7K Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 79 minutes

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The 22-year-old rage-pop phenom and his father John Herndon, of the post-rock band Tortoise, chatted with Popcast about songwriting, nepotism and what they’ve taught each other. Subscribe today at nytimes.com/podcasts or on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can also subscribe via your favorite podcast app here https://www.nytimes.com/activate-access/audio?source=podcatcher. For more podcasts and narrated articles, download The New York Times app at nytimes.com/app.

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0:00.0	Welcome to the New York Times Popcast, your double texts when I leave, a weekly cultural review.
0:08.5	I'm John Caramonica, and I'm the critic.
0:10.5	I'm Joe Coscareli, and I'm the reporter.
0:13.1	I'm too hollow, so I'm an artist.
0:15.6	I'm John Herndon, and I am a drummer.
0:18.7	As well as...
0:20.6	I'm a drummer. As well as... I'm a musician.
0:24.7	This is my beloved father.
0:27.9	I'm the father of Two Hollis.
0:29.9	Which is just an incredible gift.
0:32.5	The first father and son duo.
0:34.2	Hopefully not the last.
0:35.2	But hopefully not the last.
0:36.2	If you have good pitches for father and son combinations,
0:39.3	who can comfortably sit here and have a wide-ranging conversation on a number of topics,
0:45.4	art and culture, family, love, creativity, hopefully all ground we're going to cover today.
0:52.3	John Herndon is the drummer and percussionist from the long-running Chicago experimental
0:57.8	post-rock band Tortoise.
1:00.2	He also produces under the name a grape dope.
1:03.3	Tortoise's eighth and latest album, their first in nearly a decade, is called Touch,
1:07.9	and that is out now.
1:11.7	John also happens to be, in his spare time,
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