I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to the Soberful podcast.

I'm Veronica.

And I'm Chip.

So the title of today's podcast, this has come from a sort of ongoing conversation that Chip and I have had like when we're not recording and then we were like, you know, let's do a whole episode on this. The title of the episode is not everything is a trauma. And I'm just going to say we are going probably in this episode talk about what is actually a trauma. So just so you're aware this is an adult conversation. Just be

aware of who's listening, all that kind of stuff. But this is where I'll start. I felt for some

time the words of therapy and how we label stuff or give stuff meaning describe experiences in

clients' lives has escaped the therapy room and is just being slapped around on

anyone everywhere for anything. Yeah. And that everybody's traumatized. It's just all trauma.

And I'm beginning to get a bit kind of like, you know what? No. Yeah. And I think you feel the same way, right?

I feel very, very much the same way.

I mean, I have to be careful because as a sufferer of what I consider to be quite extensive

childhood sexual trauma, which has had a, you know, had a really devastating

effect to me. I, you know, I've known somebody ring up and say, my exam results didn't

go the way I wanted. I can't come in today because I've got trauma about it.

Well, I'm sorry, but that's a completely inappropriate use of language. And for somebody who,

you know, it's very difficult, I find, personally, this is a very, very personal thing,

I find that people who are abandoning about

the word trauma, I kind of want to step in and say, okay, you want to hear what trauma is like?

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