Welcome to the Making Sense podcast.

This is Sam Harris.

Well there's a lot going on in Iran at the moment in response to the murder of Masa

Amini.

Obviously, I completely support the women and men who are protesting there for their

secular freedom.

It's quite extraordinary to see what's happening there.

So perhaps I'll do a podcast on that.

But as it turns out, some years ago, I had a conversation that was highly relevant to

this moment with the writer and free speech activist Yasmin Muhammad.

We just released this on the best of making sense, but I wanted to put it here because

it really gets at the underlying issue of women's rights in an unusually complete and personal

way.

Yasmin's story is being lived and now protested by millions and millions of women in the

Muslim world.

And it's in light of a story like this that the killing of Masa Amini should be understood.

Today I'm speaking with Yasmin Muhammad.

Yasmin is a human rights activist and a writer.

She's a very eloquent advocate for women living in Islamic majority countries and in the

Muslim community generally, worldwide, and a very effective critic of religious fundamentalism.

And her new book is unveiled how Western liberals empower radical Islam.

And I've been in Yasmin's corner for a little while when she was getting ready to write

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