Hi, I'm Sarah and I'm Helen and this is the Squiggly Careers podcast. Every week we get together to help you to navigate the ups and downs in your squiggly career talking about practical ideas for action and tools to try out that we really hope will just leave you with that bit more confidence, clarity and control today, next week and for the rest of your career.

The long, long road of your career.

Yeah, the long, that last bit didn't actually sound very motivating, did it?

And we'll do a little disclaimer at the start of this podcast.

Poor Helen is poorly.

And typically, we would not record a podcast when Helen isn't feeling great.

Well, you say that. I think you are just forcing me to do this. Yeah, I know.

Well, I was like, we can't go into all the ins and outs of why we're having to record now,

but we are having to record now. It is a Saturday night and Helen is ill. So please just

bear that in mind as you listen,

everybody, if you're going for your walk. Actually, we actually feel quite good about the episode.

We've done quite a lot of preparation for today. So we're feeling a little bit of

empathy for the croakiness. Yeah. So we feel confident about the content, but some of the

delivery might sound a tad croaky at times. So Helen, what are we talking about today,

which I think feels really unfair to now hand it back over to you?

We're talking about croaky karma.

No, we're talking about career, career karma, career karma,

which actually, even though it is Saturday night and I'm a bit poorly,

is something I'm very, very passionate about.

So hopefully that will come through.

So when we're talking about career karma what we are

sort of referencing is this idea of developing the relationships that you need in your career

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