#297 - Dire Wolf Creators on Resurrecting Woolly Mammoth, Jurassic Park & Playing GOD | Colossal

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🗓️ 29 April 2025

⏱️ 140 minutes

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WATCH REACTION EPISODE ON PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Ben Lamm is an American serial entrepreneur & billionaire. He is best known for founding Colossal Biosciences with Harvard Geneticist George Church. Colossal utilizes genetic engineering and reproductive technology to attempt the de-extinction of extinct species. They recently recreated genetically modified dire wolves and seek to re-create the Woolly Mammoth in the next 5 years. Matt James is an exotic animal expert, zoologist & Chief Animal Officer of Colossal Biosciences. BEN & MATT's LINKS - Ben IG: https://www.instagram.com/benlamm/?hl=en - Ben X: https://x.com/benlamm?lang=en - Matt IG: https://www.instagram.com/m_walkerj/?locale=en_AE%2B2&hl=en - Colossal YT: https://www.youtube.com/@itiscolossal - Colossal Website: https://colossal.com/ FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey JULIAN YT CHANNELS - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Clips YT: https://www.youtube.com/@juliandoreyclips - SUBSCRIBE to Julian Dorey Daily YT: https://www.youtube.com/@JulianDoreyDaily - SUBSCRIBE to Best of JDP: https://www.youtube.com/@bestofJDP ****TIMESTAMPS**** 0:00 - Intro 1:23 - Paul Rosolie Tape Measure Story 3:24 - The 6th Global Extinction, Restoring Dire Wolf & Woolly Mammoth 13:43 - De-Extinction & Science / Tech Behind It, Red Wolves 23:15 - Rewilding New Species & Effect on Genes, Ancient DNA Coding Breakdown (White Rhino) 30:35 - Northern Quoll Extinction, Jabba the Hutt Toads 35:08 - GMOs are good? 37:24 - How Colossal Makes Money 43:18 - The net value of a Whale, “Jurassic Park” & “I Am Legend” Risk 52:02 - Lab Creation Debate vs Natural / Organic, Chinese Gene-Edited Child Controversy 58:12 - How Matt joined Colossal Biosciences team, $50 Million to Elephant conservation 1:02:00 - How Colossal turned Scientist “Haters” into Supporters & Why, Science “Semantics” 1:09:56 - Colossal Would NOT Exist without AI, Talking to critics 1:14:05 - Working on Extinct Species vs Endangered Species 1:17:06 - Woolly Mouse De-Extinction & How They Did It (EXPOSED) 1:23:59 - Colossal NOT Cloning, How Species are designated, Dire Wolves vs Gray Wolves 1:32:28 - Julian & Ben explain Built-in Media Manipulation of Colossal 1:39:20 - You can’t clone a Woolly Mammoth, Colossal’s Animal Safety Measures 1:43:15 - How Colossal Edited Dire Wolf Genes 1:47:28 - “Playing God” Debate 1:54:10 - Ben & Matt REACT to Paul Rosolie’s Criticism of Colossal 2:04:26 - Artificial Wombs (Ex-Utero) 2:06:28 - Can Colossal Rebuild EVOLUTIONARY Behaviors? (Extinct Elk Example) 2:09:53 - Ben & Matt want to visit Paul Rosolie, Julian remarks on his Amazon Jungle visit 2:11:55 - Colossal’s Re-Wilding Plan for Animals, Tasmanian Tiger 2:16:48 - Ben & Matt invite Julian to visit Colossal CREDITS: - Host, Editor & Producer: Julian Dorey - In-Studio Producer: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 297 - Ben Lamm & Matt James (Colossal Team - Dire Wolf) Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Do you ever sit up at night and wonder if you're playing God here?
0:06.0	You know, it's forecasted that we could lose up to 50% of all biodiversity between now and 2050.
0:11.0	Not as many people talk about the species preservation side and the conservation aspects of kind of what we're trying to do.
0:17.0	If you look at technology as humans' apex innovation, access to compute and AI,
0:21.6	synthetic biology, and all of these tools, this kind of blows people of mind, but we could
0:24.8	bring back extinct species, rewild them into the ecosystem. And here's what's crazy and what
0:29.7	people don't realize. Red wolves, it's the most endangered wolf in the world. It's the only
0:33.8	wolf that's only endemic to the United States. There's 15 left in the while.
0:37.7	15.15.15.
0:39.0	And so that is the world that we live in.
0:40.3	We now have the tools where we are going to move from scientific experiments to...
0:45.3	There's people that have already used these things in an unregulated way.
0:48.3	There was a Chinese doctor that created a...
0:50.3	He got in a lot of trouble for it.
0:52.0	A lot of trouble.
0:52.7	Wait, wait, wait. You guys made a firewolf.
0:55.0	Like, what the hell is going on here?
0:56.0	Hey, guys.
0:57.0	If you're not following me on Spotify, please hit that follow button and leave a five-star review.
1:02.0	They're both a huge huge help.
1:03.0	Thank you. I still like this out of it.
1:15.6	Thank you.
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