This podcast does contain some description of events which some listeners may find distressing.

Acton actor, welcome back to We Have Ways and Making You Talk. This is the second part of my

conversation with Holocaust survivor, Selma van der Pair. This episode begins with her arriving at

Ravensbrook and tells the story of her treatment in the camps and the incredible story of her liberation.

And you eventually end up in Ravensbrook, don't you? I was taken to the Dutch concentration

conference first and then when the invasion came to doubt the English and American Newfaces in

Jordan because don't forget this was already late in the autumn and in August I was taken there

and was put in a very small camp where we were put to make a small gas mask factory and

well I was there was sleeping in just one one barrack not we didn't have tears we were just one barrack

and it was one barrack for toilet with no division just five toilets with a one barrack for the kitchen

so it was very small an intimate and one we worked there from 12 12 hours from six to six

six in the morning till six in the evening or six in the evening till six in the morning for night

shift and well I was there but I had night shift one day and I was queuing up with other people

for the toilets we said as I say no the face to no curtains nothing in between but the real toilets

and the woman who was in front of me came from the toilet and I saw her putting the

the water closet the chain and the water closet came down and fell on my hands and half my thumb

broke off almost at least a hand off and you can still hear the the white and it took years and

years and years for it to heal and I still have no power much power in it you can just do about this

that was my experience another another prisoner who had been a nurse she found a stick and a piece

of cloth which she tore up and she bounded all together and that's why it healed because

of a no doctors and not there at least and so I worked there and on the running band what's

the called the and I was sitting at a conveyor belt and the girl opposite me said don't screw

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