Hello, friends. It's the way I heard it episode number 295, the title of which is still being discussed.

Chuck, first things first. You know, I've said this before, and it just sounds so stupid to say again, but I don't remember a better conversation.

Yeah, and we've had a lot of really great ones.

But Todd Rose, he's the founder of Populus.

He's the president of Populus. I don't even know.

Populus is a think tank, Populus.org up in Massachusetts.

And Todd is a guy who basically dropped out of high school vis-a-vis

getting thrown out courtesy of a 0.9 GPA wound up becoming a Harvard professor and along the way

wrote some extraordinary books, Dark Horse, End of Average, and his most recent is called Collective

Illusions, which Chuck and I have both read. You were almost more excited about this conversation

than I was, and I was excited. I was super excited because, first of all, this book is great,

collective illusions. And that's not all we talked about, but I found this book to be really

amazing, informative, and told me a lot about everybody in this country, everybody in the world,

that we think a lot of things that just aren't true. And we're full of crap a lot.

Well, it's hopeful because what you'll hear in this conversation are many,

many examples that bear this one thing out. We don't tell the truth about a lot of the things

we believe publicly. And what we think we know about the beliefs that are widely held turn out to be almost completely

erroneous. And we're going to learn some things about the most recent research. He's a scientist.

He's a social scientist. He's like Malcolm Gladwell on steroids, in my view, anyway, with respect to Malcolm. Just a super smart guy

who's been in this space for a long, long time and has some really passionate ideas about

what we're getting wrong with education, about the traps we fall into with our relationship

with the average thing, whatever that might be, the dangers of

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