Hey, what's up everybody? And welcome back to Mile Heart

Podcast episode 296. I am your host Kendall and I'm your host Josh. We are joined by our producer Janelle. Hey everyone. Today we're diving into the case of

Lolly Winnings and Julie Williams. They were murdered in the Shenandoah National Park in 1996 and this case is still

unsolved to this day. It's been a little while since we've covered a case that's taken place in a

national park, but the

National Park missing persons cases and murder cases are some of the most

crazy in my opinion because if there's any place for somebody to commit a heinous crime

like what happened to Wally and Julie the national parks are the place to do it

for a number of different reasons.

It's crazy to me that a place that is frequent in by so many people every single year

doesn't have seemingly the security required to protect the amount of visitors that go in and out of these parks or surveillance.

Which would be a huge challenge though. I mean they're huge

yeah huge expanses of land and also the budgets the federal budgets for the

national parks continues to get slashed and obviously there's a lot more

involved with those the animals the know, forests and things like that all need money as well.

But it was interesting. I was doing a little research and as we've talked about in other episodes before especially like the missing

4011 stuff and David Pallid has done a bunch of research into you know

missing persons cases in national park systems and the fact that the National Park Service doesn't even keep track

a log of the amount of people that go missing and even the amount of people that are victims of crime within national parks.

There's some data out there, and on average,

it actually looks like 15 people are murdered

in our national parks every single year.

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