294: Nepo Babies Deep Dive! ZOË KRAVITZ & GRACIE ABRAMS

Pop Apologists

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🗓️ 17 September 2025

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

We go long on two very different “nepo baby” journeys: Zoë Kravitz—from Topanga Canyon rules to rock-star Miami, acting breakthroughs (Big Little Lies, The Batman), directing Blink Twice, YSL muse status, and that headline-friendly dating history—then pivot to Gracie Abrams—JJ’s daughter with a whisper-cutting pen, from SoundCloud to opening ERAS, writing “Us” with Taylor, and a moody-artist friend web that keeps the lore lore-ing. Expect fashion, friendship matrices, messy kitchens, edible confessions, and a surprisingly useful fire-safety tangent. Are they “nepo”? Sure. But the talent shows up on mic and on screen.

Chapter Timestamps

00:00 — 🎙️ Cold open + why Zoë & Gracie now
02:00 — 🧬 Zoë origin: Lenny, Lisa, Roxy Roker (icon!)
#294 Ep Nepo Babies Deep Dive
07:00 — 🌲 Topanga vs. 🐍 Rockstar Miami: two childhoods collide
12:00 — ⚠️ Eating disorder years + New York move, acting school
15:00 — 🎬 Indie starts → X-Men, Divergent
17:30 — 🌊 Big Little Lies breakout (we relive the theme song moment)
19:10 — 🦇 The Batman = cultural cementing
21:00 — 🎥 Director era: Blink Twice (née Pussy Island)
24:00 — 💄 YSL muse energy + “getting ready” vibe check
26:00 — 🫶 Inner circle: Taylor, Rihanna, Miley (and the snake story)
29:00 — 💘 Dating timeline speed-run (Penn, Drake, Fassbender, etc.)
37:00 — 💍 Paris wedding vibes → divorce → Channing arc (engaged ’23, split ’24)
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44:00 — 🗞️ Mini “scandals”: Oscars caption, the resurfaced Jaden quote
49:00 — 📣 Ad Break (Macy’s Fall Guide)
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52:00 — 🎼 Gracie origin: the journaler with a piano, LA → Barnard
56:30 — 😬 First shows + nerves, why the songs land
60:00 — 🎧 “I Miss You, I’m Sorry” becomes a thing
63:00 — 🫶 Sour tour → ERAS opener, Taylor collab “Us”
68:00 — 🔥 Fire blanket PSA (lol but actually helpful)
72:00 — 🕸️ The friend/love web: Olivia, Phoebe, Paul Mescal, etc.
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85:00 — 🏁 Wrap + who we should deep-dive next

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0:28.4	Well, well, well, everybody, we're back, ready to record, ready to sit before you with another
0:35.0	episode of Pop Apologists. Today, we're doing a deep dive and it's been a
0:39.9	minute since we've done a deep dive. So I'm really excited. Yeah, buckle in everyone because today
0:44.6	we are journeying through the lives, the careers, the love lives of one Zoe Kravitz and two
0:52.4	Gracie Abrams. So you might think why these two ladies, why are we
0:57.3	choosing them, you know, of all the people we could deep dive? And I had the idea a couple
1:02.6	weeks ago that we should do a little Nepo Baby deep dive series. And these were two that
1:08.4	stuck out. These were, you know, the two ladies that we were like, okay, they're having a moment. The two ladies. The two women. The two girls. The two gals. Yeah. These were the two that we thought would be, you know, kind of interesting for people. Gracie Abrams is obviously rising star. You know, I guess someone would say she is a star. And Zoe Kravitz is currently, you know, spotted walking all over London with Harry Styles. And I think, I think there's a lot, you know, a lot to get into with both of them. Yeah, I feel like for me, I know who these people are, but I don't have a ton of knowledge of them. It's like all of a sudden I'm hearing more and more and more about
1:44.8	them. And I do like them, but I wanted to know more about them. Okay, good. Okay, well, let's start
1:50.2	because without further ado, we're going to be covering both of them in today's episode. We're
1:54.4	going to begin with Zoe Kravitz. Okay, everyone, so just settle in. And here we go. Zoe Kravitz was born December 1st,
2:04.4	1988 in Los Angeles to, you guessed it, rock musician, Lenny Kravitz, and the famous actress
2:11.9	Lisa Bonay. Lenny Kravitz is primarily a famous musician, right? Yeah, he's a rock star. He had a run of Grammys in the
2:19.1	90s, and he's also become an actor and fashion icon. He starred in Hunger Games. He's also a bit
2:25.6	of a nepo baby himself. His mother, Zoe's grandmother, is actress Roxy Roker. She made television
2:32.7	history on the Jeffersons playing one of the first
2:35.4	interracial couples on television. Yeah, something interesting about her is that she's actually,
2:41.5	like she was in an interracial marriage in real life. Interesting. And so I think when she auditioned
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