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Now, here is your host, Eric Squarsinski. All right, everybody, welcome back to the show.

April and Kathy. Welcome back. Thanks for having us back. Thanks for having us back.

That was a totally normal human interaction between the three of us. No, I both of you've been on

the show before. We've obviously had a lot of conversations. No, both of you've been on the show before.

We've obviously had a lot of conversations.

And I think the last couple of weeks, I've been really itching to have a conversation

about Wilkerson, First Pap's Search of Hammond.

There's just been so much that's happened in a very short period of time.

And then not even just with that, but with the extended IFB universe of

Treber going on this little tour around to all these conferences, like, there's been a lot. And I can

talk about it ad nauseum, but I think there's a lot of perspectives. And the reason for anybody

listening, the reason I had you come in April is because you've obviously been dealing kind of boots on the ground with First Peps Church of Hammond, with Wilkerson, organizing protests. And then, you know, Kathy, with your perspective, having gone to the protest, beating Wilkerson with me, or that's not even a good way to say it, dragging me into Wilkerson's office to

meet with Wilkerson and be-storming the castle. Yeah, storming the castle. But taking me in and

having a meeting with him and trying to give benefit of the doubt that maybe all the things I've

heard for years about Wilkerson's different. He's like just trying to change things. He's a victim of

the system kind of stuff that we've heard. He's like just trying to change things. He's a victim of the system kind of

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