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Some Work, All Play

292. The Countdown! Our 10 Most Important Training Studies of the Year

Some Work, All Play

David Roche and Megan Roche

Running, Sports

4.82.1K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 87 minutes

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Summary

This was one of our all-time favorite episodes! We discussed takeaways from our 10 top endurance performance and health studies of 2025, full of science, recommendations, and debates. 

We don’t want to give away the countdown, but this one had everything! We’re talking fueling, training, brain health, colon health, and shoes. You just know there had to be a shoe study. Running shoes are 92% of David’s personality. 

Our mission was to summarize the science in a way that would help you take the research into the real world. We think that if you can stay 1-2 years ahead of widespread adoption of new scientific principles, you can always have an edge even as the world starts to catch up. Plus, it’s fun! Not as fun as a colonoscopy, but still fun!

We also talked about 3 pieces of running news, including Shelby Houlihan’s first trail race, a new bicarb energy bar, and Ann Trason’s 100 mile performance. 

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-David and Megan

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0:00.0

Woohoo. Welcome to the Somework All Play Podcast. We are so happy to with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And I'm washing all our lasagna pans on this Tuesday.

0:08.9

Washing our lasagna pans. Yeah, I know this one. You know where that's coming from. My foot also knows this one. Okay, so we were up in the mountains this weekend. And my foot has not been great since we last recorded. It went downhill. I tried to do the return to run and I had the walk of shame back. In fact, you're going through, I feel like all the stages of grief related to your foot at this moment. What are they? I wouldn't say grief. I wouldn't say grief. I would say the stages of processing that this is going to be a longer term thing than I was hoping. I would argue that spending an hour on the bike in a heat suit is some stage of grief. Okay. I don't know. I don't know where to put it, but I feel like it's a stage of grief. I should have written down the exact stages because I thought this out. Stage one involves running on it until you can't really walk. Stage two involves cross-training really hard, saying you're going to get back right away. You've got us through both of those. Yes, yes. Stage three is that you go out for another run and then you have to walk back. I went through that one last week. Hot girl walk a shame. You did that on Friday. Yeah. Stage four is heat suit biking because if you're in a heat suit, you can't really put out any power so you can't hurt anything. And then stage five, the worst stage of all is pool running.

1:13.6

And I haven't gotten there yet. I don't think we should ever get there. I think we should always reserve that last stage for just like the, oh shit. Oh, no. Oh, no, what is happening in life? I can't do pools. I'm not really a water guy. But yes, so the lasagna pan is because I needed somewhere to put my foot to ice it.

1:28.4

Because you know when I foot to ice it.

1:28.3

Because you know when I start to ice things, that it's DefCon 1. This is serious. Or DefCon 3,

1:33.7

I believe is the most serious. And so we were up in the mountains and they didn't have any cheap

1:38.3

bowls or anything at the grocery store because everything there costs like $30. And so I got

1:42.9

one of the big deep lasagna pans and oh, I went ankle deep. It was like one of those tin like trashable ones. And I think it was still $14. It was it worth the $14 ice bucket? I'm feeling good now. I'm hopeful. I'm not only going to come back tomorrow. I'm going to do a workout on Wednesday and then I'm going to win the Black Canyon 100 games. I feel like I can say that right now because it's not going to happen. You know, we always say we're not talking about our races too much, but that was why I was taking these risks, right? Is that there was a potential race. And now, if it's not going to be on the table, I'm fine, taking your reset. Because the honest reflection I've had is that since my bike crash in

2:18.7

April 2024, I have not taken the foot off the gas pedal at all. As much as you've told me to

2:24.1

at different times, I've trained like I'm running out of time because I felt like I was, you know,

2:29.0

when I got a second chance after the accident, you know, it seemed in my head, like I had to use every single second I had. And that's paid off a lot. But maybe when I had this heel pain at mile 50 of Havillina, it should have been the sign of, all right, dial back now, do a full reset. So maybe it's a blessing in disguise. And how are you feeling since dialing back? So it's been

2:50.8

since the hot girl walk on Friday. So on Friday you went out and tried to run like eight miles. You got three and a half away from house and away from house and walked all the way back. Yeah. How has it been since? Because we're sitting here right now and you are smelly. You are smelly business. But I actually associate that as being like a good thing. Yeah, I feel fantastic.

3:08.5

Your hormones are raging.

3:10.3

Your testosterone is strong. smelly business, but I actually associate that as being like a good thing. Yeah, I feel fantastic.

3:08.5

Your hormones are raging. Your testosterone is strong. Your body odor is rocket. Yeah, my mental

3:13.6

health can really be evaluated through my armpits. Yeah, how much you sell? If you can smell

3:18.5

them from six feet away, that's how you know my hormonal status is really good. So it is interesting, you know,

3:24.7

just taking a few days off basically has really supercharged my body. And I'm hopeful that

3:30.7

things will be better. But, you know, I think hope is the ultimate uniting factor of almost all

3:36.1

athletes. And I think it's an essential part of the process because if you don't have it,

3:39.4

almost irrational hope at various times, why would you keep showing up day after day? So I lean into it and we'll see. I'm going to come back and it's going to be great. Do you think you're going to get answers? Answers. I've been pushing you to get an MRI for the last like six weeks. I'm like, let's get an image, baby. Let's understand what's going on. how close do you think you are getting on our MRI? Not close at all. You do not want to put my left foot and ankle into an imaging machine because it's just going to turn back with one of those emojis with X's for eyes. It is not a productive thing for anybody to see. But if we understand that, we can take it with a grain of salt. I feel like Trill and Ultra Running is a lot more professionalized. I think the hard part is we're still treating our bodies. Like we're these like old F150 race cars that like aren't even like, you know, showing up to race at the track. And like, if this were LeBron James, he would show up and stick his size 14 ass foot into the MRI machine and be like, tell me what's up. If this ruler, Braun James, he wouldn't be paying for all of his shoes.

4:32.0

You wouldn't be paying for lasagna pants either.

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