Radio Manu, Papa Tzango.

Goddamn

This is a good one. This is Raza Aslan who's one of the world's

foremost scholars of religion

Super smart guy really nice unfortunately we didn't get as much time to talk as I would have liked as I normally do because

we were caught between

On the one side we had he was on the phone with AT&T when I called

I mean when I showed up at his place and he had been on hold for half an hour already trying to get his wife

I set up or something and

It was the kind of thing you just can't hang up when you're in when you're on the line for half an hour

You've already listened to that goddamn hold song over and over and over and finally you're talking to someone

And you've it feels like you're close to resolving the situation. You can't give up then right

so anyway, we hung around

for a while while he was trying to resolve that and

And then on the other side he had another interview right after this one so

Instead of a leisurely 90-minute talk, which I think we both would have enjoyed

We sort of packed it into 40 minutes or whatever it was so

If you're on a long drive and you're

Looking for a podcast to get you from Kansas to Tennessee. This isn't gonna do it for you

It'll get you a cross-town

Anyway before I get to my conversation with raise up, which again, I had so much fun. He's a really smart guy and

he really

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