Hello Ian, my friend.

Hello.

How are you doing?

Well, I've had happier 24, as I have to say.

It's been, I suppose when something like this happens, it's so unexpected and you must have had exactly the same feelings when Joe Cox was murdered.

I didn't know Joe, but I did know David. It wasn't a close friend, but he was a friend and

we had a sort of very good relationship. I did an hour long interview with him in May, so and I saw

him at the conference 10 days ago.

So it's, it's a strange feeling, isn't it?

Where you still can't quite believe that it's happened.

It's a very, it's almost a sort of out-of-body feeling, isn't it?

Because it feels so unbelievably awful in some ways.

And I suppose we should make clear to our listeners that what we're,

we wondered about today's podcast,

and in the end we decided that we would do a shorter podcast focused on

the terrible circumstances and events of yesterday and not anything else.

No, I think that would be wholly inappropriate and we we sometimes can be

appropriate can't we? We sometimes can believe it. Beer epitaph. Where were you when you

heard about it? So I was actually, I had just got on the train to come back from London to Malvern and I looked at my

Twitter as I do when I sit down on the train and I saw, or I think I saw a news flash or something

that said that Sir David Amos had been stabbed and then I looked at my Twitter and I had that horrible sinking feeling that I had when I saw that Joe had similarly been attacked and I had a horrible dread at that point from the way in which it was being

described that it was going to end as tragically as it as it did and then I um because obviously

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