Hello and welcome to Not So Mali Mormon podcast.

Oh my God.

You don't know who our voices are because it's been so long, but that was Katie and this is Sarah.

I'm so used to you saying, what do you say? Welcome back, everybody. This is Sarah. And then I go,

this is Katie, but it's been so long since we've done it. It's been so long. It's been, what,

seven months? Yeah. Lots. Yeah. Everybody, um, Sarah had another sweet little baby boy.

So we took some time off.

But we're not going to get into it here.

If you want to hear more about that, we're going to talk more about that on Patreon, right?

Yes, we're going to give all the updates because believe it or not, Katie and I have not spoken on like a live conversation other than voice notes since January because life is wild.

So we're going to catch up on Patreon because we have such limited time that we're like, right.

Let's just catch up.

And yeah, we'll also do it for our little patrons. Or patrons, yeah. I know. This feels kind of surreal, but I'm so happy. It does. It feels really weird. It feels like a dream ago. But we're back at it. I know. I know. We're back at it. So we're just going to jump right in because like Sarah said, we have limited time. So for today's topic, I want to talk about this article. I saw on LDS Living. It was from June 27, 2025, and it's titled, Whose Faces Belong on a Latter-day St. Mount Rushmore?

Ew, yeah.

It's already, I forgot this sensation and feeling of like anger, curiosity, like, because we didn't talk in so long, I'm like, oh, here it is.

You're literal like, ew, just like gross.

But before we get into that article, I want to give a very brief overview of the problematic and racist history

of Mount Rushmore. So this is from Reader's Digest. I'll link the article in the show

notes so you can go look more into it, but I'm just going to give a little, a little bit from

that article. It says each year, two million tourists visit Mount Rushmore,

the mountain sculpture of four U.S. presidents. While the 60-foot faces of George Washington,

Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, and Theodore Roosevelt may seem like the perfect place

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