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Wilderness is a good way to problematize our relationships with the past, with other

peoples, with each other, with the natural world, and to recognize there is no wilderness,

there are only cultural landscapes.

Hey, it's Kamea Shane and this only cultural landscapes.

Hey, it's Kamea Shane, and this is Green Dreamer, a podcast exploring our paths to holistic healing, ecological regeneration, and true abundance and wellness for all.

This is a community-backed show, so if you're learning from us and find our work valuable,

we kindly ask for your direct support today if you can at patreon.com slash greendreamer or at

greendreamer.com slash paypal. Mark David Spence, our guest today is a historian who's

centered his work on environmental history,

American Indian history, the history of the American West, and the history of national parks,

which will be the focus of our discussion here as we go into how the establishment of national parks in the so-called United States

was at odds with and opposed to the interests

of the people's native to those lands, how the idea of national parks in of itself and the name

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