I really like to say that there is the cervical dilation, but there's also this vaginal

dilation. We have a vaginal sphincter. And so if we're rigid and tight and we're, you know,

all caught up in ourselves, like, that's not going to happen. It's not going to happen. And I really

try to like have a man understand this as I talk about orgasm.

Like could you go into a place that you hated? And there was 10 people looking at you with bright lights telling you to perform, telling you like screaming at you. Would you be able to have an orgasm?

Right. And timing you by the way. You've got you've got you be able to have an orgasm? Right.

And timing you, by the way, you've got, you've got 12 more minutes.

You know, holding your legs back to managing your body position.

I make analogies to sex all the time in my class.

That's the same thing.

Same thing.

You have to feel safe.

We would never have sex in these places. So why are same thing. Same thing. You have to feel safe. We would never have

sex in these places. So why are we thinking that it's okay and acceptable for a woman to

be placed in these situations to birth? I'm Cynthia Overgard, owner of hypnoborthing of Connecticut,

childbirth advocate, and postpartum Support Specialist.

And I'm Tresha Ludwig, certified nurse midwife and international board certified lactation consultant.

And this is the Down to Birth podcast.

Childbirth is something we're made to do, but how do we have our safest and most satisfying

experience in today's medical culture? Let's dispel the myths and get down to birth.

You may recall our conversation with traditional midwife, Lindsay Mailis, from episode 187,

one of our favorite episodes of 2022, if you haven't heard it yet, called Carrying the Torch of the Midwives

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