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Mariam Nemazi is an Iranian-born atheist, a secularist, and a human rights activist. She's

a spokesperson for a variety of organizations, for FITNA, a woman's liberation movement, for

equal rights now, for the one law for all campaign, which is against Sharia law and Britain,

and for the Council of X Muslims of Britain. She hosts a weekly television program in Persian

and English called Bread and Roses, which is broadcast in Iran and in the Middle East,

via new channel TV. And she and I talked today about accusations of bigotry among secularists,

pro-filing, the migration crisis in Europe, all topics that are well known to build rapport

between podcast hosts and their guests. And I make a few comments at the end of this,

but all I can say is that this conversation struck me as more difficult than it needed

to be. I hope one day to be better at having conversations of this sort. But for the moment,

what you hear is what you get. So I'm here with Mariam Nemazi. Mariam, thank you for coming

on the podcast. Thanks for having me. Listen, before we get into all the things we have

to talk about, and we really have a lot to talk about, once you tell our listeners

a little bit about yourself, many will know who you are, and I will have introduced you

briefly before we started here. But what's your background and what is it exactly that you

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