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This is War

29 | Higens

This is War

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4.92.9K Ratings

🗓️ 17 April 2019

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

Counterintelligence officer Davin Higens talks about his pre- and post-9/11 experience running assets, the difficulties of chasing down bombmakers in the early days of the war, and the complications for interrogators in the wake of Abu Ghraib.

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And it wasn't one or two.

0:06.6

It was the entire village was coming out onto the street and I'm running down the middle

0:13.3

of it.

0:14.3

They were closing in around me.

0:16.2

When Devon Higgins got into counterintelligence, the Twin Towers still were standing and the

0:20.2

job mostly involved running assets and hotspots as a way of keeping tabs on potential threats.

0:25.7

But when he found himself in Iraq in the early days of the war on terror, running assets

0:29.9

took on an urgency he couldn't have imagined before.

0:33.2

Because in Iraq, there always was a ticking bomb somewhere.

0:36.5

I hear this loud explosion.

0:39.0

I automatically knew what would happen.

0:41.8

I knew it was a bomb.

0:52.5

What is true bravery?

0:54.5

What makes a hero a hero?

0:57.6

Tested by the worries of what's happening at home thousands of miles away and the reality

1:02.8

of what you're facing here and now.

1:06.4

When your life is in danger every second and it's either killed or be killed.

1:11.9

An original podcast from Incongruity Media.

1:16.2

This is Anthony Russo and this is War.

1:24.5

Devon Higgins left college to join the army in the late 1990s.

1:36.3

He already was married but the demands of work in school meant he didn't see his wife

1:39.8

Rebecca that often.

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