Hey, everybody, and welcome to classical stuff you should know.

We're a podcast about the classics, mostly.

We talk about books.

We talk about philosophy.

We talk about the ancient world.

Also, sometimes teaching.

Also, sometimes other things. My name is AJ Hanenberg. I am joined by Thomas Magby. Hello. And Graham Donaldson. Hi. And today we're talking about real progressivism, where it started. We just, we are, we are focused on progress today. We feel like we've been too much in the past. We're done with that. We're going to talk only about the future. Would you say we're going on a journey?

Somebody call it a pilgrimage. Yeah. You could, you could call it that. Maybe. Nailed it.

Today we're talking about pilgrims progress. So, most progressive of all of them.

I was thinking. I was like that really would be quite the opposite. So we, gentlemen, have you all read this book before the Pilgrim's Progress?

I think I have only read like a kid's version of it. Is it illustrated? I think I read it. It rules. Yeah, it does rule. Let's do this first. The best way to read this book, don't read this John Bunyan nonsense that I'm going to read from today. There's a version. I think it's Helen Taylor, Joe Sutton. It's an illustrated Little Pilgrim's progress. Did not expect to get here in the first 60 seconds of the podcast. It is incredible. Read that. All right. That's it. Let's shut the podcast down. Okay. Yeah, old books are dumb. Don't read the original. We can perfect them.

Read the new illustrated version.

It is better.

It has animals and it cuts out some of the parts that are less great about the old version,

which I probably won't even cover.

Most stories are better with animals.

This is true.

So, name one story.

You can't do it.

Star Wars, weird animals. Okay. I'm trying to think. I thought you're going to propose one where like Luke became like a lion or something. No, they already have weird animals. World War I was worse with horses. Oh, this is tough. Man, way to break. Yeah, but imagine World War I without horses. It would be way better.

Why would it be better? Because those poor horses don't get blowed up. Yeah. This is really took. Sorry, keep going. I went from Pilgras progress. We're going to start over. Could we please? Just the whole podcast, actually, at this point. Okay. So book written by John Bunyan.

I'm sure we all know John Bunyan,

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