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Now I'm very nervous about this podcast, Jackie, because we're using Zoom.

And I don't think we've ever used Zoom before.

And whenever I do a recording on Zoom, it always sounds rubbish when I'm listening to the other

person through my headphones.

But then when it goes

on the podcast platform, it sounds absolutely fine. So hopefully it'll happen again this time.

Well, you're giving us a big buildup here, aren't you? All those people who have thought to

themselves, do you know what? I'm just going to try for many because I haven't listened to it

before. They've all turned off at this point going,

oh, that sounds a bit shit. The advantage of Zoom is that I have on screen in front of me a photo

of you, and I suspect you have on screen in front of you a photo of me, don't you? I have with a sort

of orangey, shirty thing on with plunging neckline.

It's a dress.

Oh, is it a dress?

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