From Relay FM, this is Upgrade in episode 286. Today's show is brought to you by Linode, Indeed, and Pingdom.

My name is Mike Curley and I have the pleasure as always of being joined by Jason Snell.

Hello, Jason Snell.

Hello, Mike Hurley. It's good to be home. Do you mean recording upgrade like you consider upgrade like your home?

Upgrade in my garage on a Monday morning is home because technically it's my home that I am recording in.

That works.

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Hash-talk question for you this week comes from Jared.

And Jared wants to know Jason, do you have any advice for a non-teacher who isn't partial

to the teas that they've tried before to become a tea drinker?

Oh boy. I mean everybody's flavor, everybody's taste is different. So, um... Try different

try different? Yeah, I was gonna say like I really like English breakfast, that's a black tea. If you haven't tried English breakfast that's a black tea if you haven't tried

English breakfast try that not like like Earl Gray people think of his tea but that

has it like extra flavor in it that turns a lot of people off the I love old

flavor so but straight up black tea it turns a lot of people off the version of them kind of flavor.

So straight up black tea, English breakfast, Irish breakfast is a good thing to start with and then I would say

if you don't like it or it seems to bitter or whatever. Also, by the way, little advice for, look at the instructions

because like a lot of people who don't know anything about tea, like leave the teabag in forever and it gets

super bitter and awful. The teabag should be in for like three minutes if you're using a

teabag like three minutes. It's just don't leave the teabag in too long. You might like it with honey, you might like it with milk, you might like it with sugar. Those are things that

sort of like with coffee. Some people will have it with nothing put in it or, and you may end up

there, but you start with kind of diluting it with other things to make it

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