I think you can actually know the difference between someone who's had a true mystical experience

and someone who's had a twisted mystical experience is that often the person who's had the

twist mystical experience comes back from that experience and wants to destroy the world.

They're like, I experience everything.

I experience like the mystical, ineffable root of being and now nothing matters.

Now all of this is trash.

Like the whole world is just Maya.

Like the whole world is just illusion.

And none of these things matter.

All your religions, all your communities, all your things, they're all nothing, right?

You listen to people.

Sometimes you'll hear exactly that tone.

And to me, it's like, well, I think you're on the wrong side of the bed because, like,

if there is something ineffable behind phenomena, then it is the source of phenomena.

So it should actually fill phenomena with this kind of unsaid, but not destroyed.

Like, anyways, I tend to always keep that in mind

where I listen to people who talk about that.

This is Jonathan Pejot.

Welcome to the symbolic world. Thank you so much for agreeing to do this.

We absolutely appreciate it and it's amazing that you're trying

in time to talk with us.

My pleasure.

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