Summary In this episode, Tim interviews Dr. Jennifer Bird and Dr. Michael West to discuss the topic of in vitro fertilization (IVF). They address the misconceptions and propaganda surrounding IVF, particularly in right-wing fundamentalist spaces. Takeaways Life does not begin at conception but rather at around 14 days when individuation occurs. Understanding the biological facts is crucial in debunking the myth that life begins at conception. IVF is a pro-life procedure that helps individuals and couples who are unable to conceive have children. Legislation that restricts or bans IVF infringes on reproductive freedom and ignores scientific and ethical considerations. The theological and ethical aspects of reproductive rights, including abortion and IVF, are complex and require thoughtful consideration. Biblical perspectives on these topics vary, and it is important to engage in dialogue and critical examination of the texts. Women's autonomy and well-being should be central to discussions on reproductive health and technology. Education and informed decision-making are crucial in navigating the complexities of reproductive rights. The rise of Christian nationalism poses challenges to these discussions and requires a reevaluation of religious and ethical values. Chapters 00:00 Introduction 03:42 The Importance of Understanding IVF 11:18 When Does Life Begin? 18:12 Exploring IVF: Procedure and Purpose 25:12 The Reality of Early Embryo Death 30:45 The Biological Facts of IVF 35:29 The Pro-Life Nature of IVF 36:18 Misinformation and Reproductive Freedom 37:43 Conclusion 38:39 Exploring the Bible's Stance on Abortion 41:27 Unpacking the Concept of the Image of God 44:24 The Mythical Nature of Biblical Descriptions 48:08 Discrepancies in Defining Viability 51:58 Considering Women's Autonomy in Reproductive Health Dr. Jennifer Bird's Website: https://www.jennifergracebird.com/ Dr. Michael D. West's World Stem Cell Summit Page: https://worldstemcellsummit.com/michael-west/ Embryo Statment: https://www.wildolivebibleandculture.org/ivf ______________ If you'd like to support our work, you can DONATE here! Get Tickets to Beer Camp (PROMO: TNEHOBBIT) Follow Us On Instagram @thenewevangelicals  Subscribe On YouTube @thenewevangelicals The New Evangelicals exists to support those who are tired of how evangelical church has been done before and want to see an authentic faith lived out with Jesus at the center. We are committed to building a caring community that emulates the ways of Jesus by reclaiming the evangelical tradition and embracing values that build a better way forward. If you’ve been marginalized by your faith, you are welcome here. We’ve built an empathetic and inclusive space that encourages authentic conversations, connections and faith. Whether you consider yourself a Christian, an exvangelical, someone who's questioning your faith, or someone who's left the faith entirely, you are welcome here! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices