What you have here is episode number 285, the way I heard it. This one is called

Scream inside your heart. Scream inside your heart, Mike. Don't do it out loud. It's a translation

from a Japanese expression that I'm not even going to attempt to pronounce, but

it came up late in the conversation you're about to hear with my guest. Justin Hart. Justin

Hart has written a book called Gone Viral, and I hope it does, actually, because it is filled with information, insight, opinion, and fact about what we got right and what we got wrong over the last two and a half years regarding COVID.

And spoiler alert underneath the what we got right column is nothing.

Well, the subtitle of his book is How COVID Drove the World Insane.

And that's what really drew me to it because I felt like I was going loopy for the last two years.

He explains a lot of reasons why.

Look, I think we all have. Yeah, look, I mean, so,

okay, it's going to be a little controversial for some people, because I think in general,

it's safe to say that as we get some distance between the lockdowns and where we are right now,

people are more willing to look back and talk about what we

got right and what we got wrong. But I think it's also pretty clear that some people aren't ready

to do that. Personally, I wanted to talk to this guy, not because I know with certainty that he's

correct about anything. I happen to agree with a lot of it, but that's beside the point.

I wanted to talk to him because I think we're going to go through this routine again.

Don't say it.

Well, I'm not, I don't know that we're going to go through lockdowns again, but there's going to be another COVID.

There's going to be another variant. There's going to be another thing, you know, hopefully not for a long, long time,

but there's going to be another thing that fills our hearts with dread.

And that thing is going to push us to make all kinds of decisions and do all sorts of things

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