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Hey guys, welcome back to the debrief. Super excited today because I get to ask the question. So usually I'm on the hot seat. So if you mess up our congregation, our listeners, it's not my fault. It's true. So I am with one of

my long-term friends. I actually did your wedding 20 years ago. And just married a beautiful,

amazing, now a doctor as well. Just incredible couple. Power couple. So blessed to have you at Sandals. A professor, you're the

dean of psychology. Associate Dean for Psychology. Associate Dean. We'll call him the Dean. He's the

dean for us. But Associate Dean of Psychology or the School of Psychology at California Babbs University,

we just found out the largest Christian university in California. When I went there, Josh, I told you this before the show. I think there was 580 students. And that includes the master's programs and part-time students. It was 580 FT, full-time equivalent FTE. So it was very, very small there. It's amazing what you guys have done, just changing lives. And so I was sharing

with you before the show, one of the reasons I'm so excited to have you on here is just your

strategy for helping people heal. So much of therapy nowadays is just people ruminating on their

problems and never moving towards change. And Dr. Nab is just so incredible.

I've read a couple of your books,

so incredible at helping us get out of the funk

and stop being the victim,

but really moving towards healing.

And that's not to minimize any of our trauma.

And he actually has a book here,

The Christian Trauma Survivor's Workbook,

so I love that.

So if you're tired of being stuck, man, this is a great book to get. Love him. Great man. Work through some own issues in your own life. Just an incredible story, redemption story, amazing man. And he has insights, wisdom, and skills that will help you. So I want to encourage you to get this book. And I love the

fork in the road because that's where we're all at when it comes to trauma. So married 20 years,

two kids. Man, incredibly brilliant. Glad to have you on the show. Thanks for having me. So try not to

make me look dumb. It's hard to do. All right. So this is Dr. Knapp. So let's talk about what is trauma

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