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Thank you so much for coming out here with me, Christopher. I am having a wonderful time. You've made a lot to me. I'm glad that you're having a blast.

On Tuesday, which would have been the 14th of August, you had read some newspaper articles on the 13th and the 14th that regarding this case, you had also had a conversation with Chris at some point during the day on Monday.

On Tuesday, because of what you found specifically what you said was, and I don't want to put words in your mouth, but you found out that his wife was pregnant.

And I, yes.

And you did not know that prior, and you found that out via the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern.

Well, I just realized that he was lying to me, and I was like, well, if you can lie to me about this, what else he lied to me about?

And it made me realize that maybe his wife was in danger at that point, and it was day two, too, and she still wasn't home.

What did that cause you to do with your phone, though?

Oh, what, when I deleted those? I was just kind of grossed out by him, to be honest with you. I was just like, I don't know what's going on right now, but you just lied to me.

And I don't want to see this come over my phone anymore, so I removed it.

So you already said, but you removed text messages?

I deleted all of his stuff, because he lied to me. I mean, that's what it was. It was the hurt that made me delete it.

And then it was the lie that made me start questioning everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.

And that's when you decided to come forward?

Yes.

Okay.

Hello and welcome to Real Crime Profile. This is Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of CVS's criminal mind.

So with me today is the rich. It's criminal behavior analysts, former New Scotland yard, author of the domestic abuse stalking and harassment on the base violence risk model and author of the book, policing domestic violence.

And I'm Lisa Zambetti casting director for CBS's criminal minds and we're diving right back into our discussion of the 2018 murders of Shenan Watts and her children Bella Celeste and Nico at the hands of Chris Watts and Jim and Laura, this is one of those cases.

People cannot let go of it has wrapped itself around, you know, wraps itself around your head and your heart.

Even though the murder eventually confessed and was convicted and serving multiple licenses, the interest in this case has never waned and it's been reinvigorated by the Netflix, amazing documentary American murder, the family next door directed by Jenny Papalwell.

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