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The Light Watkins Show

282: Rethinking Our Relationship with the Planet and The Real Solution to Climate Change with Paul Hawken

The Light Watkins Show

Light Watkins

Self-improvement, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.9960 Ratings

🗓️ 13 March 2025

⏱️ 83 minutes

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Summary

Most of us want to do our part to help the environment. We recycle, we conserve energy, we bring reusable bags to the grocery store. But does any of that actually make a difference? Paul Hawken, one of the world’s foremost environmentalists and author of Carbon: The Book of Life, says that the way we think about climate change is all wrong. In this episode, Paul breaks down why fear-based climate messaging hasn’t worked—and what actually inspires people to take action. He reveals why carbon i...

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0:00.0

If you think right now where we are today, if alerting humanity to what it was doing on earth

0:08.2

and thinking about ways to modify, change, transform that so that we can stay here, simply

0:15.0

stated, stay here, and we look at the narrative that was created 50 years ago and propounded to this day pretty much the same way.

0:24.1

We'd say, well, I was a real failure.

0:26.4

Like, who was your agency?

0:28.9

You haven't sold a single product or you people weren't sold on it at all.

0:33.2

And the reason is because it was about less, about fear, about threat.

0:37.2

Future existential threat was the term used way back.

0:41.1

So that narrative is what has to change.

0:44.6

And the narrative is really about more.

0:47.2

We are moving into less and less.

0:49.0

And we are deceived into the thinking that it's more.

0:51.9

Now, are you dependent on your job, on your spouse, on income, on whatever investment you are, that you're caught, just like all of us, into this web of capitalism?

1:03.0

But the way to move out is first to become aware and touch that part in yourself that actually understands.

1:10.0

And to understand that sometimes

1:11.7

what we do is relatively small. Most of us want to do our part to help the environment. We recycle,

1:22.2

we conserve energy, we bring reusable backs to the grocery store. But does any of that actually make a difference?

1:30.0

Paul Hawkin, one of the world's leading environmentalists and the author of Carbon, the Book of Life,

1:35.6

says that the way that we think about climate change is all wrong. And in this episode,

1:41.9

he breaks down why. Why fear-based climate messaging hasn't worked and what actually inspires people to take action,

1:50.1

how to reconnect with nature in a way that actually feels natural even if you live in the city,

1:55.6

and the surprising truth about carbon and why it's not the villain that we've been told that it is. If you've ever

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