any of this stuff and how do you know I mean it's a you're talking about retroviruses that's an incredibly

Intense subject to be researching there's a lot involved in understanding it So understandably people rely on folks like you. We rely on

someone who has done the work and is a is a professor and when we hear a guy like you saying that HIV doesn't

cause AIDS that's like it's very confusing there's I'm sure your life is filled with controversy. I mean, what is an average day

like for you as far as like hate mail? Do you get a lot of hate mail?

I get a lot of mail, but hate is actually a minority. Really? There's a lot of mail but hate is actually a minority.

There's a lot of guys saying, gee, I always suspected something is odd.

Can you tell me, can you explain me, what should I do? Should I take antiviral drugs? I feel horrible and I give

them answers my answers and I tell them why I give these answers. It's not just...

Now for people who don't understand, your argument, I mean in a paraphrase

this sort of way is that it's it's it's illicit drug use it's like a

male nitrate and crystal meth and that is what's destroying the immune

systems of these people and then HIV shows up because their immune system is diminished is that a fair assessment of it?

You are diminished or not it is just a chance that you might be positive or not.

It's like with all my copes you know you can catch it. that you might might be positive or not.

It's like with all my copes, you know,

you can catch it or not.

But of course, if you are what they used to be,

they say at least the first line of AIDS patients,

the gay guys.

They had hundreds of, in the gay liberation days,

hundreds of dates.

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