And I just remember even when I was super young, like 17, I went to this conference about the flood.

And I'm standing in front of this like, you know, post grad, whatever student giving us a lecture on the flood.

And she said, there's a version of the flood in every single culture.

And then she said, that's the proof that it didn't happen.

And I was like, what?

How does that jive together?

Like, how is it that this is a universal story,

but you're using it to tell me that the Bible story isn't true?

And I'm like, there's something missing here.

And so then I came to really understand symbolism

just basically as the patterning of reality.

Yeah.

Yeah. of reality. This is Jonathan Pajot.

Welcome to the symbolic world. Hello, everyone. This is Sarah from Hamilton, and I am very happy to say that today we have Jonathan Pajot on the channel.

And we have him here to talk a little bit about his perspective on symbolism, theology,

what the Orthodox Church uniquely has to contribute to the discussion about the role of symbolism and interpreting creation,

the way that relates to biblical theology, and especially I want to talk about his perspective on universal history

and the way in which symbolism frames our understanding not only

of the history that we find in scripture, but also the history of all nations and how they're

brought into the community of Christ. So welcome Jonathan to the channel. Thanks for being here.

It's great. People don't know this has been a long time in the making. We started exchanging

like a year or more than a year ago. So it's good that this is happening. I know. Yeah.

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