The following is a conversation with Grimes, an artist, musician, songwriter, producer, director, and a fascinating human being

who thinks a lot about both the history and the future of human civilization,

studying the dark periods of our past to help form an optimistic vision of our future.

And now a quick few second mention of each sponsor.

Check them out in the description, it's the best way to support this podcast.

We got Brave for web browsing, novel for banking, lambda for deep learning,

public goods for supplies and blinkeess for books.

Choose wise and my friends.

And now, onto the full ad reads, as always, no ads in the middle.

I try to make this interesting, but if you skip them, please still check out our sponsors.

I enjoy their stuff.

Maybe you will too.

This show is brought to you by Brave, a fast,

privacy preserving browser that feels like Google Chrome, but without ads.

For the various kinds of tracking that ads can do, I love using it more than any other browser,

including Chrome.

That's my main go to browser.

The internet has been around for several decades.

There have been several browser wars.

And still, there is incredible innovation, including from some of the same people

that were part of the early browser wars.

It's just really exciting.

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