28 Thucydides: A Historian for Our Time? w/ Emily Greenwood
Ancient Greece Declassified
Dr. Lantern Jack
4.8 • 587 Ratings
🗓️ 24 November 2019
⏱️ 58 minutes
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Summary
The Athenian historian Thucydides observed and chronicled the greatest military conflict of his day: the epic contest between Athens and Sparta known as the Peloponnesian War (431-404BC). Much more than just a straightforward history, his work is a study of the struggle between democracy and oligarchy, as well as a meditation on the dangers of populism and political polarization. Perhaps for this reason, Thucydides' work has experienced a surge in popularity over recent years as polarization and civil strife have spread throughout the developed world.
In this episode we are joined by Emily Greenwood, professor of classics at Yale University and author of Thucydides and the Shaping of History. Our conversation covers Thucydides' historical context, his ambition and purpose in writing his history, his insights and blindspots, and his relevance to our world.
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Scholarly works mentioned during the conversation:
The Blinded Eye: Thucydides and the New Written Word, by Greg Crane (particularly Chapter 4: "Thucydidean Exclusions and the Language of Polis II: Oikos, Genos, and Polis")
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The intro to this episode was provided by Dr. Greenfield and Dr. Radford of The Partial Historians podcast. Dr. G and Dr. Rad both hold PhD's in Roman history and they offer a unique take on the Roman world that combines humor, storytelling, and scholarly rigor. Check out their pod at partialhistorians.com
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| 0:36.1 | Hi, thanks for tuning in to ancient Greece, Declassified. |
| 0:45.4 | Episode 28, a historian for our time. |
| 0:59.1 | The ancient Greek historian Thucydides has been in the news a lot recently. |
| 1:03.5 | Now, when I say a lot, I don't mean, obviously, as much as the Kardashians. |
| 1:07.2 | But compared to other ancient authors, Thucydides has been killing it. |
| 1:12.3 | It all started in 2012, when political scientist Graham Allison coined the phrase Thucydides Trap in connection to U.S.-China relations. He sees the U.S. and China locked on a |
| 1:19.0 | collision course reminiscent of the trajectories of Athens and Sparta as they headed towards |
| 1:23.8 | war with each other two and a half millennia ago, as chronicled by Thucydides. |
| 1:29.2 | Now, Thucydides said that when a new up-and-coming power threatens to surpass the established |
| 1:34.6 | superpower, war is often inevitable. That's the trap. So the question becomes, can the U.S. and |
| 1:40.7 | China avoid the kind of mutually destructive conflict that consumed Athens and Sparta. |
| 1:46.5 | Within a year of Allison putting forth this analogy, it was picked up by Chinese President |
| 1:51.0 | Xi Jinping himself, who declared that the U.S. and China need to work together to avoid |
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