But Donald Trump, man.

Oh, well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's a lot.

I just believe that it needs to be said, but it feels like what needs to be said is like

Brown versus Board of Education is still the law of the land.

I'm Kimberly Atkins store and welcome to Justice by Design, a podcast that points out

just that justice does not happen on its own. It happens through the deliberate actions

of people to ensure that justice reaches all of us. You know, growing up, I often joked that by calling my parents

the integrators because it seemed that every time we moved house and I grew up in Metro Detroit,

we would move house in a way that made us the first or one of the first, at least, black

families on the street. If you've ever seen a raisin in the sun, I can so relate because

we had some welcoming committees with these moves into predominantly white neighborhoods.

That happened since I was a little, little kid. I was born in Detroit,

but grew up in various suburban communities just outside Detroit because of the way my parents moved.

And it was only when I was a little older that I realized the reason they did that is because of

schools. In my family, my parents valued education very, very

highly. And I'm the youngest of six. So when school systems began being under-resourced and in the

Detroit metro area, that happened, the blacker, the neighborhoods became the more under-resourced these schools became.

It was still, even as modest as our middle-class life was, better for them to try to stretch

a penny into a dollar and buy a new home in a place where the schools were higher quality

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