Hey, what's up, Emma?

Hey, how's it going?

It's been a while since I've seen you.

I think I saw you and Philip and London in the fall of 2018.

Yes.

We went to like high tea together.

Yeah, what was that? Like I have have this like this memory of it where it's like we had like tea and crumpets and we had like all these like little fancy cake bite things and I was like this is like the fanciest place I've ever been. So this is America or? No, this was this was in London. I expected the queen to walk in. It was like such a fancy event. Yeah, when Philip and I were traveling around a lot, we landed in London for a couple of months. And it was like a fun thing that didn't involve alcohol where you could like sit for three hours with people and have kind of a deep conversation. So sometimes people loved it. Sometimes they hated it. But it was kind of a fun. I thought it was fun. I thought it was fun. Philip was texting me like a week or two ago. And he's like, yeah, Channing invited Emma on. And she's worried you're not going to remember who she is. And I'm like, there's no, there's no way I'm not going to remember Emma. We had high tea together. Who else was going to have high tea? Yes, exactly. Literally nobody else. M.O, what you just described, I was literally talking to a friend about almost like that

value proposition a couple of days ago of like, I currently am like sort of taking a break from

drinking alcohol and I want to like live long and be really healthy, but I live in New York

City and if I want to go out and meet new people or like hang out with friends, like the only real default past 6 p.m. That's not go to someone's house is like go get wasted at a at a bar or go to a club or like even like maybe go to a show, a music show, but like you're drinking. Right. And I'm like, why can't we just do like a tea? Like why can't we have have tea? Why can't we have like, this might sound weird, but like we went to this, um, vintage shop in Williamsburg and bought this like really old vintage china tea set. And it costs like 50 cents per cup. Like it's not a, you can find them in these vintage shops. Um, but it's like an excuse where people will come over and not drink alcohol. And I do drink alcohol. Like I like drinking. Yeah, same. It's like nice to have like a social thing where you don't have to do that. Yeah. Channing, you should just drink non-alcoholic cocktails. Like you got something in your hand and the bar. You look like you're drinking. It's delicious. You just sip on it. Like have you tried Gaia?

I think that's how you say it. No, I haven't heard. No. What is it? It's like I went through a phase during the pandemic where I didn't drink very much either. But it's like it's like a non-alcoholic liqueur kind of. And it like kind of tastes like alcohol. but there's yeah and you can like mix it with stuff and it's really expensive so you feel you also feel like

you're buying out there you go of and it like kind of tastes like alcohol but there's yeah and you can like mix it with stuff and it's

really expensive so you feel you also feel like you're buying alcohol you get the authentic experience

if it doesn't taste good and it costs a lot of money yes exactly well it's good to have you like

we interviewed you about your business moonlight oners, I think in May of 2019.

And at that time, you were doing $55,000 a month in revenue.

And then the next month or the next year, you ended up selling it.

And Moonlight was a platform that matched developers with companies who need to hire developers.

And you and Philip are working that together.

Now you have a new startup called Velvet. It's kind of like, I don't know how to describe it. It's almost like gum road. It's almost like a no code tool where like if I really want to sell a product, I use you. You put up a page or I can sell my product. My users can authenticate. They can sign in. I don't have to do any code at all and now I'm just like making money

and I get all sorts of charts and graphs

to only optimize. my users can authenticate, they can sign in. I don't have to do any code at all, and now I'm just like making money and I get all sorts of charts and graphs telling me optimize that conversion. Is that how you describe Velvet? Yes. Thank you for that really concise description. But yeah, basically every company I've worked at, I've redone onboarding at least three times a year. And so that is that process of

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