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The Screenwriting Life with Meg LeFauve and Lorien McKenna

279 | Rian Johnson on Writing High-Concept Stories with Deep Emotional Stakes

The Screenwriting Life with Meg LeFauve and Lorien McKenna

Meg LeFauve & Lorien McKenna

Tv & Film

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 8 January 2026

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

Rian Johnson (KNIVES OUT, LOOPER, STAR WARS: THE LAST JEDI) joins Meg for a deep craft conversation about balancing bold, high-concept ideas with intimate emotional storytelling. Rian breaks down how character - not plot mechanics - is the engine behind mystery, world-building, and genre, from crafting unforgettable character introductions to using theme as a dramatic misdirection tool. They also explore how emotion drives high-concept rules, how to write suspects with clarity, and why outlining is essential when juggling complex narratives. A masterclass in marrying big ideas with human stakes from one of today’s most distinctive storytellers. --- Looking for more support on your writing journey? Join Meg and Lorien inside ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TSL Workshops⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠- use code HOLIDAY25 for 50% off your first month. Episode Links: "Wake Up Dead Man: A Knives Out Mystery" on ⁠Netflix⁠ "Star Wars: The Last Jedi" on Disney+ Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TSL merch shop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TSL on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Screenwriting Life is produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jonathan Hurwitz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and edited by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kate Mishkin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thescreenwritinglife@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. --- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hey everyone, welcome back to the screenwriting life.

0:33.7

I'm Meg Lofov, and today I'm joined by Ryan Johnson, a two-time Academy Award and Golden

0:39.1

Globe nominated filmmaker, known for telling bold, distinctive stories across an incredible range

0:44.7

of genres. His films include Knives Out, Glass Onion, Looper, and Star Wars The Last Jedi. Through

0:50.5

his company, T Street, with creative partner Rom Bergman, Ryan also co-created and executive produced the hit Emmy-nominated series Poker Face and executive produced the sci-fi series Three Body Problem.

1:02.4

His latest film, Wake Up Dead Man, A Knives Out Mystery, is the third installment in the beloved who done at murder mystery franchise and is now streaming on Netflix.

1:16.9

I am so thrilled and a huge fan to have Ryan Johnson here. So Ryan, welcome to the podcast.

1:22.3

Thank you so much for having me. Ryan's been a good sport and he's going to do our first segment, which is Adventures in Screenwriting or How Was Your Week? I'll start really quickly. My week was still writing. Yes,

1:30.9

we're getting towards the holidays, but I am, you know, pages are due. And we had so many

1:36.4

balls in the air. I don't know. Ryan, I'm saying this to the master of balls in the air. So I say

1:40.8

this with a small caveat, not as many as you.

1:49.1

But then we were trying to work in a rewrite, my writing partner and I, that honestly,

1:51.9

we forgot one of the balls completely, which is the antagonist.

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