I dreamt that you were twisting through seven suns of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hey, everybody.

Welcome to the Soapur podcast.

And I am delighted today to welcome Dr. Sarah Misho.

Welcome.

Thanks, Veronica.

It's so great to be here. It's not great to be here. We had a bunch of like false starts where we tried to get together and it didn't work. And that happens sometimes when people are sick and there's kids and all that stuff's going on. But I'm really pleased because Sarah has a fantastic book which we're going to talk about, which is called Co Crazy, One Psychologist's

Recovery from Co-Dependency and Addiction. Love the cover. So Dr. Sarah is a clinical psychologist

who specialised in addiction and codependency for over 30 years. And a lot of your story is at 20

years of sobriety was understanding like codependency. So why don't we

start like give us an overview of your story. And then I want to talk about codependency because it

is a really important part of the sobriety journey that lots of people come unstuck with.

Absolutely. Absolutely. It's the one thing that I think really people

struggle with whether they're just getting sober or on long-term sobriety boat. So I got,

thanks, Veronica. I got sober in 1984. I literally just celebrated 40 years, which is absurd.

I was 24 when I got sober. So I got sober in the 80s.

It was the cocaine, cocaine time.

I'm sure there's cocaine time now, but in the 80s it was huge.

So alcohol and cocaine were my drugs of choice.

And, you know, like yourself, I mean, I got sober and my life took off and went back to school.

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