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Ackton Ackton, welcome to We Have Ways of Making You Talk with me, Al Murray and of course with James Holland.

And today we are speaking to a very special guest, someone who actually get an idea of what he looks like.

Is an exciting prospect in itself. Who are we talking to today, James?

Young chap, a young fella. Yes, his younger than I thought he wouldn't be.

We are talking to Jonathan Wehr, who is a very, very brilliant military historian.

He's been a presence to me on Twitter for quite a long time and we shared all sorts of things.

And we back and forth, you, me and Al, and research and all sorts.

I mean, your magnum opus, Jonathan, is Jock's dragons and sospons through Normandy with the 53rd Welsh division.

But I think it's fair to say that you probably know more about the granular detail of the Normandy campaign than any person I've yet met.

So I'm really, really looking forward to this because I'm literally just about finished with my Normandy section of my show with Rangers book.

But I'm expecting I'm going to pick up all sorts of other tidbits today.

Yeah, it's whatever you do, don't start a big project because you get taken down all the rabbit holes.

It's a lesson in madness, trying to understand because the Normandy campaign is so bloody huge.

I used to play a game when I was an undergrad where I would give copies of Max Hastings over a little book and a few others to mate in mind.

And I'd say to them, work out how the Allies win and no one could do it.

And you're like, come on, this can't be this hard. This is a big book by a major British historian.

So then I added a few more in and it was only when you added Robin Neelans in and reading Neelans is like taking a shot of absin through the eye.

It's just an absolute mentalist book. It's fantastic.

But yeah, so that's really how I got into it because I couldn't work out the answer.

You know, when I made Roach Berlin in 2004, a long time ago, which is full of a lot of the stuff that you have since I've turned because that's sort of where things were in 2004 and other people obviously.

Are we interviewed at the top of the Borgibou Ridge?

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