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Making Sense with Sam Harris

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🗓️ 13 April 2022

⏱️ 38 minutes

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In this episode of the podcast, Sam Harris speaks to Graeme Wood about Muhammed bin Salman, the crown prince of Saudi Arabia. They discuss the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the imprisonment of Saudi elites in the Ritz Carlton, the Vision 2030 campaign, relations with Israel, the posture of the Biden administration, energy policy, Saudi efforts to deprogram jihadists, the strange case of Musa Cerantonio, John Walker Lindh, the current condition of ISIS, the war in Ukraine, Russian propaganda, how Finland has made itself invasion-proof, and other topics.

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0:47.4	Welcome to the Making Sense Podcast. This is Sam Harris. Today I'm speaking with Graham
0:53.6	Wood. Graham is a staff writer at the Atlantic, and he's the author of a wonderful book on
0:59.5	the Islamic State titled The Way of the Strangers Encounters with the Islamic State.
1:07.4	And today we're talking about Muhammad bin Salman, otherwise known as MBS, the crown prince and
1:14.5	de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia. We discuss the murder of Jamal Khashoggi, the rather astounding
1:21.3	imprisonment of Saudi elites in the Ritz Carlton, MBS's recent reforms in Saudi Arabia,
1:29.1	and his vision 2030 campaign, Saudi relations with Israel, the posture of the Biden administration,
1:37.3	energy policy, Saudi efforts to deprogram G-Hontists, the strange case of Musa-Cherentonio,
1:45.7	John Walker-Lind, the current condition of the Islamic State, and then Graham and I talk about
1:53.6	the war in Ukraine and Russian propaganda, how Finland has made itself invasion proof, and other
2:01.8	topics. Anyway, Graham is always great. I hope you enjoy it, and I'll bring you Graham Wood.
2:08.4	I'm here with Graham Wood. Graham, thanks for joining me again. Sam, it's good to be back.
2:19.2	So you have a cover article in the April issue of the Atlantic titled Absolute Power
2:25.9	on Muhammad bin Salman, MBS, the de facto ruler of Saudi Arabia, and it's a fascinating profile
2:36.0	on him, and it sounds like you had a very interesting trip. Let's, I want to cover that,
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