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Welcome to the Fine Home Building Pro Talk podcast, our regular discussion with building industry professionals. This is Senior Editor Patrick McComb. Today I'm joined by Travis Brungard,

a high-performance builder and remodeler and part owner of Catalyst Construction in Prairie Village, Kansas.

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Travis, thanks a million for being on the show this morning. How are you?

I'm well. Thanks for having me. It's a pleasure to be here. Is your family okay and everything going

all right where you are? Yeah, we're really, we're really fortunate. Here in the mighty Midwest, we

tend to dodge a lot of the bullets that come to the coast. And as far as COVID, you know, everyone's suffering that in their

own way. But we're, we're really, I don't want to say unaffected because there has been loss of

life here. And certainly, I think we have like 6,000 infected. But per capita, I think our death

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