This is Anthony Pompliano. Most of you know me as Pomp. You're listening to the Pomp podcast.

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Alex Gladstein is the chief strategy officer at the Human Rights Foundation and the vice president

of strategy for the Oslo Freedom Forum since its inception in 2009.

In this conversation, we discussed the culture war over privacy, digital contact tracking,

over the skin to under the skin surveillance, and why authoritarian systems are not better for fighting public health crisis.

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