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The Screenwriting Life with Meg LeFauve and Lorien McKenna

277 | Scriptnotes Hosts John August & Craig Mazin: The Craft Lessons That Matter Most

The Screenwriting Life with Meg LeFauve and Lorien McKenna

Meg LeFauve & Lorien McKenna

Tv & Film

4.91.1K Ratings

🗓️ 23 December 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Summary

John August and Craig Mazin - hosts of the legendary Scriptnotes podcast - join us for a wide-ranging conversation inspired by their new book, Scriptnotes: A Book About Screenwriting and Things That Are Interesting to Screenwriters.  We talk about why rigid structure can miss the point, how theme emerges from character, what fear and denial really look like on the page, and how writers can survive rejection without letting it define them.  A candid, funny, and deeply reassuring conversation for writers at every stage. A special thanks to Scriptnotes producer Drew Marquardt and editor Matthew Chilelli for their support with this episode. --- Looking for more support on your writing journey? Join Meg and Lorien inside ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TSL Workshops⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠- use code HOLIDAY25 for 50% off your first month. Episode Links: Check out the new Scriptnotes book here Scriptnotes Premium John August's website "The Last of Us" on HBO Max Check out the ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TSL merch shop⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TSL on ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Instagram⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠TikTok⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Bluesky⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ The Screenwriting Life is produced by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jonathan Hurwitz⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ and edited by ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Kate Mishkin⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. Email us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠thescreenwritinglife@gmail.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠. --- Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everyone. Welcome back to the screenwriting life. I'm Meg Lofov. And I'm Lorraine McKenna.

0:07.6

Today we have a truly special show. We are talking to John August and Craig Mason, the duo behind

0:13.4

the much-love script notes podcast, which has been running for 14 years. John August is a screenwriter

0:19.0

whose credits include Aladdin, Big Fish, Charlie and the Chocolate

0:22.2

Factory, corpse bride, frank and weeny, and the first two Charlie's Angels movies. In addition to his

0:27.2

work in film, John wrote the Arlo Finch Middle Grade Novel trilogy and earned a BAFTA nomination for his

0:32.8

script of the Broadway musical Big Fish. Through his company quote unquote, unquote, apps, John makes utilities for writers, including

0:39.6

Highland and Weekend Read, along with a writer emergency pack, which is used in 2,000 classrooms

0:44.8

nationwide.

0:46.0

He was also a member of the 2023 WGA Negotiating Committee.

0:50.6

Craig Mason is a multiple Emmy Award-winning co-creator, executive producer, writer, and director

0:55.7

of such shows as The Smash Hit HBO series The Last of Us.

1:00.4

Record-breaking and critically acclaimed, season one became the most watched debut of any series

1:05.1

for HBO.

1:06.4

Previously, Craig served as creator, writer, and executive producer of the HBO Limited

1:10.8

Series Chernobyl, for which he won two Emmys, a Golden Globe, a BAFTA, a Peabody, and awards

1:16.4

from the Writers Guild, the Producers Guild, the Television Critics Association, and the American

1:21.0

Film Institute.

1:22.3

Currently, Craig is executive producing the upcoming HBO e-sports drama damage alongside writer-director and executive producer

1:29.5

Celine Song. And together, John and Craig have released a brand new book, script notes, a book about

1:34.6

screenwriting and things that are interesting to screenwriters, which distills more than 700 episodes

1:40.2

of podcast conversations, craft principles, and no bullshit wisdom.

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