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The Shawn Ryan Show

#277 Michael Lester - Are We the Bad Guys?

The Shawn Ryan Show

Shawn Ryan Show

Philosophy, Society & Culture

4.946.6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 February 2026

⏱️ 269 minutes

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Summary

Michael T. Lester, a U.S. Naval Academy graduate and former Marine Corps combat pilot who served in Asia and the Middle East, initially believed deeply in American ideals. Over time, he experienced growing disillusionment as U.S. actions abroad often contradicted official narratives and failed to align with stated goals of promoting democracy and freedom. His book provides a non-partisan analysis, arguing that repeated harmful outcomes across administrations are systemic features driven by incentives, not mere mistakes. It outlines an imperial playbook involving regime change, sanctions, proxy wars, and economic control, while linking foreign policy to domestic narrative management that manufactures consent. Lester applies this framework to current events like Ukraine, Gaza, and Venezuela, noting increasing global skepticism toward U.S. explanations. The provocative title refers to outcomes; from a global viewpoint, the U.S. often appears as the antagonist, emphasizing that denial hinders self-correction. Motivated by the view that silence enables complicity, Lester wrote this book to encourage honest reckoning in a multipolar world. Try Mindful Sparkling Water - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0FPT6YPXX?maas=maas_adg_1C797BA219D5E6EE94343185A49EE100_afap_abs&ref_=aa_maas&tag=maas Shawn Ryan Show Sponsors: Try Rho Nutrition today and experience the difference of Liposomal Technology. Use code SRS for 20% OFF everything at https://www.rhonutrition.com/discount/SRS Sign up at https://BetterHelp.com/srs to get 10% off. #ad Our listeners get the Harry’s Plus Trial Set for only $10 at https://www.Harrys.com/SRS #Harryspod Go to https://DRINKAG1.com/SRS for a free AG1 Flavor Sampler, AGZ Sampler, free Vitamin D3+K2, and AG1 Welcome Kit with your first subscription order, plus a 90-day money-back guarantee (limited time, while supplies last). Michael Lester Links: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mtlester Books - https://michaeltlester.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

All right, Michael, we're getting ready to start the big interview here, but we have this,

0:09.1

we have this segment we do before the big interview called the hot question. So here we go.

0:15.8

In World War II, the trigger was visible. September 1st, 1939, and the world had a line you could point to.

0:24.4

Today there are, excuse me, today there may never be a single invasion moment because everything is being weaponized at once.

0:32.7

Narratives, markets, technology, supply chains, and domestic division, with psychological warfare coming

0:40.3

from outside and from within.

0:43.3

Excuse me. So here's the question. Are we watching the modern version of the 1930s,

0:51.3

where pressure campaigns and propaganda set the conditions until a major war becomes

0:56.2

unavoidable.

0:57.7

And if so, what are the clearest World War II era parallels you see playing out in real time

1:03.7

right now?

1:04.9

Wow.

1:06.3

That's quite the question.

1:09.7

I'm actually going to take it back a war.

1:13.6

Okay.

1:14.6

Before World War I, historians would say the world was a tinderbox.

1:21.0

It was ready to go, right?

1:23.1

And then you had the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand that kind of kicked everything off,

1:28.3

right?

1:29.3

Even more than in 1939, 1939 Hitler invaded Poland and people were on edge.

1:36.3

But in World War I, even more than that, there was more going on that the whole world was

1:42.3

on edge, right, and ready to go.

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