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Today, the shocking scheme that put a telecom executive in prison after he refused a government demand to spy on US citizens.

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To understand the level of corruption that's been endemic in our intelligence agency for a long time, we can, I think, look to a story that I covered on full measure a few years ago that still shocks my sensibilities today.

I think about this when I wonder how the dial can be turned back on corruption and all kinds of abuse that

are occurring inside our federal agencies, but particularly our intelligence agencies. As you may know,

they have pushed the limits for really a couple of decades now when it comes to spying on U.S.

citizens, including journalists and members of Congress.

As you know, they spied on me. I'm still active in court trying to get accountability for that

all these years later. And I will say that, of course, there are some fantastic, honest,

hardworking, amazing people working in our intelligence agencies. They're certainly not

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