This is the Paymore Podcast with Marty Solomon. I'm his co-host, Brent Billings. Today we are examining the dispute Jesus has with those who believed him about who their father is.

Yeah, man, there's a lot packed into that little introduction sentence.

I mean, it's the first verse. I'm not even going to let you start reading to the Jews who believed him. Because this whole like throughout this whole journey of John, we've been having like John keeps breaking up the conversation between those who don't believe and those who do believe those who follow him and those who don't follow him, those that go this way and those go that way.

And the whole time you're like, okay, I get it. Like there are those that don't believe in him. And now it's like, man, is Jesus picking a fight with the people that do believe in him? It's just a wacky conversation that happens for for a passage it starts with to the Jews who had believed in him. Jesus says.

Does that seem weird to you, Brent? Did that catch off guard? Yeah, I guess. And maybe not the first statement. Maybe it's where they take it. Maybe I should be disappointed to the Jews who believed in him. I shouldn't say Jews.

Is this what you said the NETs chooses Judeans here? Yeah, NET goes to Judeans. And I was just thinking about the context over a last episode.

He's having a conversation with, oh man, is that the Jewish leaders at this point? I can't remember, but it says so he's having this conversation with a different set of people.

And then verse 30 says even as he spoke many believed in him. And then. Oh, great point. Look at that.

So what you want is where we start to the Jews who had believed him or any tea says Judeans. Great point. And I love that NET makes that distinction. Yeah, this word the NET every time it comes up the NET lays out their reasoning for it.

Basically, you can read any of them and it will there's like a standard bit of text for this. It could mean this or this or this or this or this or this. But in every instance, they say, we think it means this in this case because of these reasons.

If you want another reasoning, it's like they're in their injury slim.

So it is the Judea area. And it's to the conversation is about whether Abraham is their father. So that's like a Jewish audience, not necessarily a general audience of anyone.

So that's that's basically the reasoning for it. Yeah. And I I can really appreciate that. Hey, I appreciate the fact that really trying to parse the nuance of that word because it's super important.

And be I understand the problem they're having here. And why they make different choices. I think generally speaking as a work of translation, I think you could probably more standardized their approach than they have.

And their notes anyway, but what they're doing with their notes is trying to acknowledge the nuance specifically of the group in every situation. I think generally speaking, like I would just prefer the word Judea.

And you're going to have the right usage. Now in most of these instances, I think they've been generally saying Jewish leaders. Is that right, Brent? At least in this in this debate that's been happening over the last couple chapters.

Right. And that makes sense because that's that is going to be of the Judean crowd who Jesus is most likely addressing if not directly in the text, just contextually, that's the assumption, the safe assumption that you could be making.

And now the conversation seems to imply that there are Judeans who believe in Jesus, which is a thing, by the way, because Jesus is very much Galilean.

And the Judeans and the Galileans despise each other. They're like completely different paradigms, not despised like Samaritans. I just mean like, you know, Republicans and Democrats, like that kind of like that group. I can't stand that group.

Those redneck Galileans. And so the fact that there are Judeans that believe in Jesus is a thing. And it's it's likely not the Jewish leaders, Jewish leaders, although I would assume there are probably some Jewish leaders amongst the Judeans that are like, I'm here in Jesus out here. I'm for this.

But I digress. I haven't even let you start reading yet. So do you want to start reading? Sure. And the any or the NIV is is the example of a standardized approach to this word. So the NIV just.

The wrong one. Yeah, they just use Jews in every instance. And you know, that causes problems. So it sure does. And yeah. And I, you know, people know I like the NIV. So that's not a total condemnation. But that is one very problematic standardized approach that I think, especially in the newer NIV.

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